Childcare costs in Wales have priced some parents out of work and stopped them from having more children.
The Welsh government is under pressure to bring its childcare plans into line with the UK government's in England.
Parents there will get up to 30 hours a week of free childcare for children as young as nine months from 2025.
In Wales, this is for three and four-year-olds, but a minister said the Welsh government was "rolling out" an expansion to include two-year-olds.
Danny Carter, a climbing centre manager in Cardiff, said he worried "constantly" about paying for childcare.
